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Ryan Greenblatt· @RyanGreenblatt · X·Indexed by this site · Originally published

Ryan Greenblatt:Astra 无思维链推理跃升可能被低估

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Ryan Greenblatt 认为,Neel Nanda 引用的 Astra System Card 数据可能低估了无思维链推理能力的跃升幅度。他给出两点理由:ECI 指标难以处理基准饱和时的大幅跃升;Neel 没有使用 filler token,而 Astra 似乎从 filler token 中获益更多。被引内容称 Astra 在无思维链条件下达到次优模型(Fable 5.1、Gemini 3.8 Flash)1.75 倍的步骤数,且无思维链能力的提升远大于有思维链能力,这一趋势令人担忧。

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My current guess is that these numbers somewhat underestimate the no-CoT reasoning jump because:
- ECI doesn't handle big jumps (with saturated benchmarks) well.
- Neel didn't use filler tokens and Astra seems to benefit from filler tokens much more (spooky)

Quoted postNeel Nanda@NeelNanda5
The Astra system card claims it can do a lot of computation without chain of thought This replicates: Astra is a massive jump, doing 1.75x the steps of the next best models (Fable 5.1/Gemini 3.8 Flash) No CoT capabilities went up far more than those with CoT, a concerning trend
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